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rexx
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:27 pm 
Post subject: Permission Question

1. Thanks Admin for creating this website! icon_biggrin.gif

2. How do I create permissions?

Essentially, I want spiders to stop crawling a particular forum, at my board.

So, how do I do that?

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lumpy burgertushie
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:47 pm 
Post subject: Re: Permission Question

make that board registered only for viewing.

search engines can only see what guests can see.

If guests can not see that forum, then search engines can not see it.

and/or, you can setup a robots.txt file that will not allow them to crawl certain areas. google for info on robots.txt files.


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rexx
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 6:23 pm 
Post subject: Re: Permission Question

Thanks for responding.

The board consists of many forums, but one, in particular, is getting much of the crawling attention and creating an unfair image of my site.

Generally, I'm trying to get away from the porn reputation that my board has inadvertently-attained, at Google et al.

In an effort to get a handle on all the porn that was being posted, at the board, I created a forum dedicated to legal porn and warned that porn found outside of this forum would be deleted - which is what was happening during routine maintenance.

Thousands of non-porn posts were also added to other forums. Google said it stopped 'seeing' porn, at the site, but its (and others') spiders are still crawling that forum and, as a result, reporting that my board is still mostly about porn.

Yes. I could delete the porn and, thereby, be done with it, but that would violate my believe in free speech, etc.

So, while doing some work, with phpbb3, I got the notion that, perhaps, I could force spiders away from their porn fixation by removing their permission to access that one forum.

Is there a way to do that?

If yes, then how?

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Jim_UK
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 6:33 pm 
Post subject: Re: Permission Question

Simple
As Robert said just set the permissions to "view" and "read" to "Registered" in Admin CP>Forum admin>permissions

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rexx
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 6:57 pm 
Post subject: Re: Permission Question

Jim_UK:

That is a nice-looking fish!

Well done! (Assuming that you didn't just buy it! icon_lol.gif )

Forgive my ignorance, though, but what is the difference between "View" and "Read"?

Presently, they are both set at: "ALL".

So, would my problem be solved if I changed "Read" to "REG"? (I don't want to stop people from viewing whatever is in that forum, say, via present search engine results. I just want to stop the spiders from counting that forum's content so, in the future, those results will have less to do with porno.)

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 7:11 pm 
Post subject: Re: Permission Question

View >>they can see that the forum is there.
Read>> as it implies - they can read the contents of that forum.

No I did not buy the fish - it is a carp of about 11 pounds caught on a luncheon meat pellet.

Another way to do what you want is to create a user group that you wish to be able to access the "strong" forum and then set the permission to the forum to "Private"
You can in Group permissions then give users of the group access to that forum.
Doing it this way you can restrict access to those that claim to be 18 or over.
Down side of this is that you have to manually add users to the usergroup.

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rexx
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 7:25 pm 
Post subject: Re: Permission Question

Thanks for the tips!

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 10:54 pm 
Post subject: Re: Permission Question

Here's a site that shows you how to make and use a text file to disallow robots from indexing certain files on your site:

http://www.mcanerin.com/EN/search-engine/robots-txt.asp

Or, you can install this MOD, and then you can enter any desired disallow instructions in your configuration file in the ACP:

http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=364320&hilit=meta+tag

That's not the same MOD that I'm using, but it appears to do the same thing as the one I'm using.

If you install the MOD, you will still probably need to read the info at the site mentioned above, in order to figure out how to correctly specify your disallow code, so that the spiders will only skip the forum that you want them to skip.
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rexx
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 1:44 am 
Post subject: Re: Permission Question

Apparently, I outsmarted myself; now spiders, including the ones I send to create a sitemap (gsitecrawler), will not crawl my phpbb2 directory.


My robots.txt contains:

Code:

Disallow: /phpbb3/


...but not:

Code:

Disallow: /phpbb2/



During crawl, the spiders will go to: "http://www.example.com/phpbb2/index.php" but no further.

So, apparently, via permissions, I inadvertently barred spiders from the entire board.

Does anyone know how I might have done this and how I could resolve it?

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roadhog
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 3:41 am 
Post subject: Re: Permission Question

Shouldn't the text file be more like this?

Code:
User-agent: *
Disallow: /phpbb3/
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:54 am 
Post subject: Re: Permission Question

Whatever you put into your robots.txt, not all spiders obey a robots.txt, there's plenty of crawlers that will index what you disallow.

The only proper way of avoiding that spiders will index certain forums is by means of the permission settings as indicated by Lumpy and Jim.

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rexx
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:51 pm 
Post subject: Re: Permission Question

Is there a way to reset the permissions so that spiders can then crawl my phpbb2 directory?

Somehow, I triggered a board-wide disallow.

When I went back to permissions for the particular forum I was trying to control, I reset the "View" and "Read" to "ALL", but that did not make a difference.

So, I must have inadvertently changed something else, too.

Any idea what it was and how I can undo it?

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Jim_UK
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 3:17 pm 
Post subject: Re: Permission Question

Please post between code tags your entire robots.txt file

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rexx
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 3:19 pm 
Post subject: Re: Permission Question

1. Following is my entire robots.txt file:

Code:

User-agent: *

Disallow: /bins/

Disallow: /checks/

Disallow: /downloadtest1/

Disallow: /downloadtest2/

Disallow: /notices/

Disallow: /twc1/

Disallow: /wcc1/

Disallow: /phpbb3/





2. Installation of phpbb3 - which I tried a couple of days ago - included changing the CHMOD of various phpbb2 directories.

Well, I just noticed that the CHMOD, for my main phpbb2 directory is 755.

Does that sound appropriate?

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Jim_UK
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 3:31 pm 
Post subject: Re: Permission Question

Yes 755 is correct for the phpbb2 directory.
There does not seem to be anything there that would stop them from crawling your site.
How do you know they are not doing so?
Do you have a mod installed that shows their presence in phpbb2? (I have such a mod installed so know they are there)
When there are a lot of "guests" on line check to see if one or more are showing multiple times and take a look at their IP in Admin CP
This is Googlebot 66.249.71.***
How long have you waited after posting the new robots.txt file before you have started to panic? icon_lol.gif
Google say that upon finding a robots.txt file it can take 24 hours for them to obey the instructions therein.
You set one up that barred them and perhaps it takes another 24 hours before they will respond to the absence of the bar.

Jim
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